So climate pledge arena cycles between hockey games, concerts and other events sometimes on back to back nights but UW cant figure out the logistics for a concert if anything else is happening in the stadium in the same month? I think this is an example of the the UW problem. Not thinking like a business that is trying to leverage its resources which of course is how the Pac12 disappeared also.
Just a guess, but I’d wager that a brand new, state-of-the-art, indoor arena is far better suited for that kind of quick turnaround than a college football stadium built solely for that purpose.
Absolutely Climate Pledge was designed for that back to back night turn around….but you cant do better then a month turn around? If youve ever been to Hayden outdoor amphitheater in Bend, Oregon it is as bare bones simple as it gets facilities wise and if you pull up their line up they are packing in events multiple times a week also.
Im clearly biased but i think the lack of business thinking by Pac12 presidents, including ana mari, is how we got here in the first place. They got outplayed multiple times by the Big10 and Big12 and of course passed up multiple opportunities in the past to strengthen the Pac12 financially. I think a new president is overdue.
Christian im just still bitter the Pac12 went the way it did when it really didnt have to….although i’ll acknowledge the final decision to join the Big10 was probably the right one at that point. Ironically if the pac12 presidents had behaved more like Big10 presidents we wouldnt be in the Big10.
I'm not sure how much of it is about "behaving like Big10" but there were unique Pac12 issues such as scheduling games because west coast time (PST) had less total viewership due to time zone disparity with EST. Pac12 couldn't achieve $$$ media package parity with conferences in other time zones. There were definitely other misses that contributed to the dissolution of the Pac12, but I wouldn't just place blame entirely on "behavior."
It sounds to me that they want those types of events outside of the school calendar and fall football camp, which only leaves July. There could be multiple events in July, but maybe just July?
It was the same thing when Paul Allen wanted to put the Seahawks in the stadium, it was a win/ win for everyone except a few residents of Montlake. I get that you want to be good neighbors but the UW has bent over backwards in regards to traffic mitigation on game days ( read: traffic could be a lot better for fans) and allowing outside events. The UW should be thinking about what benefits the entire community and tax payers of Washington rather than a few influential Montlake residents ( I would be willing to bet a couple of them are regents and many are faculty). It was these same residents that held up the 520 renovation and cost tax payers an extra 100 million or so. I would love to see a price that exposes that and puts some pressure on them.
Id add that in a business that was financially constrained if you said bringing in more revenue was on the back burner for two years you would get fired pretty quickly. You would more then likely hire someone full time to work with a promoter to figure this out not with the local band as a one off.
That Fox and The Big Ten Conference can issue long term $10 million interest free loans to UW speaks to wealth and power concentration in college football, and it’s disgusting.
after years of bad mouthing the PAC 12 network NOW we get the Big 10 network. The difference is we actually received games on the PAC 12 Network. The Big 10 Net requires an additional subscription. Even those of us who have a 185 channel cable package would have to pay an additional $10 per month. We fans go from being used and abused to being increasingly completely screwed. Viewer numbers will go down. Period
The Rose Bowl and Coliseum in LA host big time concerts all summer long. The Pasadena residents that live adjacent to the Rose Bowl are 10x snobbier than the Montlake rubes. Book Husky Stadium - undercut the deals that are made at TMobile Park and Lumen all day long. If the M’s can figure out how to produce a concert during a roadtrip, the brainiacs at the UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON should be able to figure it out during the 9 mos the building is dark.
I don't see the Seahawks sponsoring a whole slate of women's teams and Olympic sports...the problem seems to be we own professional franchises in football and basketball, yet we continue to pretend we are "amateurs" with Title IX obligations. The entire problem is we have 19 other dead weight programs we have to fly all over the country now. It would not bother me in the least to have all the other teams compete regionally, except for crew. Zero leadership in athletics. Emmert did a great job for us, but was completely worthless as NCAA president, just topping up his 401k and 403b.
I will also always wonder what could have been with the Apple deal, and a continued Pac without the LA schools. They bungled the SD St. expansion, and they could have added a very rich school in SMU -- both within 5 years would likely have developed into a Utah or a TCU...as we saw from those moves up to the P5.
Instead we have budget problems and are stepchildren in the Big...and there could very well be more upheaval making all the promises of future benefits irrelevant. There was little wrong with an ACC type Pac, at least initially, with Oregon a Clemson and us a FSU....but I do concede there was a risk Oregon could do something without us....in which case we would be close to cooked.
But those budget nrs are ridiculous, football is a huge money maker yet all the baggage still makes us beggars.
The NFL gets FREE player development of BILLIONS in value. Let CFB operate as clup sports like soccer in Europe. We have full ride players receiving big bucks in NIL. thats a "business"? for suckers I guess. By the way, USC ad UW led the PAC in attendance the last couple years ticket sales right around 68,000 per game. That would have put them at 8th in the big 10. Quit dreaming about being equal with the SEC aor Big 10. Say good bye as CFB fades from the weat coat and most of the est.
At no point in the UW’s future will the status of the school’s Student Athlete be in serious question and vulnerable to compromise…….their status and performance, academically, must be sustained at the very least………..
My concern is not for the BB, FB students athletic status but for their academic status cratering under the weight of their higher performance demands athletically.
So climate pledge arena cycles between hockey games, concerts and other events sometimes on back to back nights but UW cant figure out the logistics for a concert if anything else is happening in the stadium in the same month? I think this is an example of the the UW problem. Not thinking like a business that is trying to leverage its resources which of course is how the Pac12 disappeared also.
Just a guess, but I’d wager that a brand new, state-of-the-art, indoor arena is far better suited for that kind of quick turnaround than a college football stadium built solely for that purpose.
Absolutely Climate Pledge was designed for that back to back night turn around….but you cant do better then a month turn around? If youve ever been to Hayden outdoor amphitheater in Bend, Oregon it is as bare bones simple as it gets facilities wise and if you pull up their line up they are packing in events multiple times a week also.
Im clearly biased but i think the lack of business thinking by Pac12 presidents, including ana mari, is how we got here in the first place. They got outplayed multiple times by the Big10 and Big12 and of course passed up multiple opportunities in the past to strengthen the Pac12 financially. I think a new president is overdue.
They all could have been better on that front, for sure.
Christian im just still bitter the Pac12 went the way it did when it really didnt have to….although i’ll acknowledge the final decision to join the Big10 was probably the right one at that point. Ironically if the pac12 presidents had behaved more like Big10 presidents we wouldnt be in the Big10.
I'm not sure how much of it is about "behaving like Big10" but there were unique Pac12 issues such as scheduling games because west coast time (PST) had less total viewership due to time zone disparity with EST. Pac12 couldn't achieve $$$ media package parity with conferences in other time zones. There were definitely other misses that contributed to the dissolution of the Pac12, but I wouldn't just place blame entirely on "behavior."
It sounds to me that they want those types of events outside of the school calendar and fall football camp, which only leaves July. There could be multiple events in July, but maybe just July?
It was the same thing when Paul Allen wanted to put the Seahawks in the stadium, it was a win/ win for everyone except a few residents of Montlake. I get that you want to be good neighbors but the UW has bent over backwards in regards to traffic mitigation on game days ( read: traffic could be a lot better for fans) and allowing outside events. The UW should be thinking about what benefits the entire community and tax payers of Washington rather than a few influential Montlake residents ( I would be willing to bet a couple of them are regents and many are faculty). It was these same residents that held up the 520 renovation and cost tax payers an extra 100 million or so. I would love to see a price that exposes that and puts some pressure on them.
Okay, off soapbox
So that place has football and graduations to deal with too?
Not to mention UW is a public state institution and climate pledge is a private venue. Could be a lot of different hoops to jump through.
Id add that in a business that was financially constrained if you said bringing in more revenue was on the back burner for two years you would get fired pretty quickly. You would more then likely hire someone full time to work with a promoter to figure this out not with the local band as a one off.
Actually The UW problem is that it thinks like an elite world class education institution. Stupic them, what does UW think it is, a university?
That Fox and The Big Ten Conference can issue long term $10 million interest free loans to UW speaks to wealth and power concentration in college football, and it’s disgusting.
How is that
after years of bad mouthing the PAC 12 network NOW we get the Big 10 network. The difference is we actually received games on the PAC 12 Network. The Big 10 Net requires an additional subscription. Even those of us who have a 185 channel cable package would have to pay an additional $10 per month. We fans go from being used and abused to being increasingly completely screwed. Viewer numbers will go down. Period
The Rose Bowl and Coliseum in LA host big time concerts all summer long. The Pasadena residents that live adjacent to the Rose Bowl are 10x snobbier than the Montlake rubes. Book Husky Stadium - undercut the deals that are made at TMobile Park and Lumen all day long. If the M’s can figure out how to produce a concert during a roadtrip, the brainiacs at the UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON should be able to figure it out during the 9 mos the building is dark.
I don't see the Seahawks sponsoring a whole slate of women's teams and Olympic sports...the problem seems to be we own professional franchises in football and basketball, yet we continue to pretend we are "amateurs" with Title IX obligations. The entire problem is we have 19 other dead weight programs we have to fly all over the country now. It would not bother me in the least to have all the other teams compete regionally, except for crew. Zero leadership in athletics. Emmert did a great job for us, but was completely worthless as NCAA president, just topping up his 401k and 403b.
I will also always wonder what could have been with the Apple deal, and a continued Pac without the LA schools. They bungled the SD St. expansion, and they could have added a very rich school in SMU -- both within 5 years would likely have developed into a Utah or a TCU...as we saw from those moves up to the P5.
Instead we have budget problems and are stepchildren in the Big...and there could very well be more upheaval making all the promises of future benefits irrelevant. There was little wrong with an ACC type Pac, at least initially, with Oregon a Clemson and us a FSU....but I do concede there was a risk Oregon could do something without us....in which case we would be close to cooked.
But those budget nrs are ridiculous, football is a huge money maker yet all the baggage still makes us beggars.
The NFL gets FREE player development of BILLIONS in value. Let CFB operate as clup sports like soccer in Europe. We have full ride players receiving big bucks in NIL. thats a "business"? for suckers I guess. By the way, USC ad UW led the PAC in attendance the last couple years ticket sales right around 68,000 per game. That would have put them at 8th in the big 10. Quit dreaming about being equal with the SEC aor Big 10. Say good bye as CFB fades from the weat coat and most of the est.
At no point in the UW’s future will the status of the school’s Student Athlete be in serious question and vulnerable to compromise…….their status and performance, academically, must be sustained at the very least………..
I'd argue the opposite, at least for athletes who don't play football or basketball. Their athletic futures are very uncertain.
My concern is not for the BB, FB students athletic status but for their academic status cratering under the weight of their higher performance demands athletically.